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Holy shit. No pun intended. I didn't watch the debate, in keeping with my policy since 9-11 of not watching TV, so I don't know about any body language or other signal that might mitigate his shocking statement, but these...

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September 24, 2003

Arnold Schwarzenegger would like to shove Arianna Huffington's head into a toilet

Holy shit.

No pun intended.

I didn't watch the debate, in keeping with my policy since 9-11 of not watching TV, so I don't know about any body language or other signal that might mitigate his shocking statement, but these could be the 20 words that bring down the Terminator.

Did Arnold Schwarzenegger really say this to Arianna Huffington?

"I would just like to say that I just realized I have a perfect part for you in 'Terminator 4."'


Especially given the context--Huffington raised the issue of "the way you treat women"--how could he be referring to anything else but his much-publicized pleasure in shoving an actress's face into a toilet?

From the recent Entertainment Weekly article:

"But nothing in T3 bears Schwarzenegger's creative stamp more than his epic tussle with the Terminatrix, a battle that begins in a bathroom. The sequence was made longer and more elaborate thanks to the actor's largess and his singular imagination.

"'As we were rehearsing, I saw this toilet bowl,' says Schwarzenegger, an impish smile crossing his face. 'How many times do you get away with this to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl? I wanted to have something floating in there,' he adds. Apparently, he was vetoed. 'They thought it was my typical Schwarzenegger overboard,' he says. 'The thing is, you can do it, because in the end, I didn't do it to a woman she's a machine! We could get away with it without being crucified by who-knows-what group.'"

And now he says to Arianna Huffington, "I would just like to say that I just realized I have a perfect part for you in 'Terminator 4"'?

I'm on record as not being too terribly concerned about Arnold's past orgies with men and/or women. As a former candidate for governor, I wouldn't want people to hold my past sexual excesses against me, either. Some stuff I don't even remember, but I'm pretty sure someone took pictures, so there's a glass-house thing going on here.

And in fairness, I'm sure lots of people at one point or another have wanted to shove Arianna Huffington's face into a toilet. And I'm not saying these private fantasies are, per se, wrong, in one's own head. There are no thought crimes. Whatever floats your boat, as long as it stays in your boat.

But this guy wants to be the governor of California. And he said this during a public debate.

Even if you find Arnold Schwarzenegger's casual misogyny amusing (I personally find it frightening), isn't there a fatal judgment problem here for a would-be governor?

CNN suggests Arnold made this statement in a time specifically allotted for rebuttal:

Allowed to rebut what Statham ruled was a personal attack, Schwarzenegger said, "I would just like to say that I just realized that I have a perfect part for you in 'Terminator 4.'" He also suggested that she might need "more decaf."

I'm dying to know the inside story here. Was it:

a) A planned line approved by his boy's club of advisors?

b) A planned line that he composed but didn't run by his advisors?

c) Something Schwarzenegger thought of in the moment?

I'm guessing b). It's hard to imagine that even an all-male team of advisors would fail to realize how awful that laugh line would be in the aftermath. And given that Arnold did obviously prepare zingers to use against Huffington, it's just unlikely that he thought of the line in a few seconds in the debate rather than in the hours of prep.

This needs to get Trent Lotted. Arnold's degrading zinger is just like Trent Lott's pro-segregation comment. It's the kind of statement that makes you shake your head when it happens, and then move on...

Except...when you think about it...did he really effing say that?

The more I reflect on it, the more it seems insane. Could a candidate for governor who is desperately trying to turn around his deservedly poor image with California women have said anything more stupid?

Does he have a compulsion to say things like this?

I'm not a political pundit, but I play one on the Web from time to time. And this faux-pundit predicts that Arnie is cooked. As a result of those 20 words, he's gonna get Code Pinked back to Hollywood.

And, in T4, when he shoves a red-haired Greek actress's face into a toilet, I bet he will have "something floating in there."

More on Arnold:

Premiere Magazine article (serious misbehavior)
Racist connections
Recall Governor Schwarzenegger!

Plus lots more non-Arnold stuff at Brian Flemming's Weblog main page.


[Oops. Technical problem here with the comments system. Please do leave a comment on this entry over at its mirror on Blogcritics.)

A few comments that made it through here:

Name: Kynn Bartlett
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Yep, it's real, and I heard it in context and was shocked.


Name: Glen
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What can you expect from a man who was brought up in the household of a full fledged member of the Nazi Party?

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If the recall goes through, all he needs is some small proportion of the vote. If he gets all of the manly men and no women he may win.

Name: pidge
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What bothered me was that the moderator defined Arianna's remark as a personal attack on Arnold but had nothing to say when Arnold told her he'd like to shove her head in a toilet. What could be more of a personal attack than that! I sincerely hope that Arnold goes down in flames.

Name: Free Californian
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Arnold is as stupid as Bush, which means he has the solid support of those people who share his IQ, The Republican Party. These people are so stupid that they do not realize that Arnold opposes his supporters on all of their cherised issues, abortion, gun control, family values, and fiscal policy. Republicans are the party dumb enough to embrace anybody they think can win. How do people think we ended up with the dumbest President ever ? The Republicans wanted a Republican President real bad, and now we have a Republican President REAL BAD

Name: Martin
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Yup, I heard it, and I'm glad he said it. Huffington is a harpy, and deserves to be silenced in any way possible.

Name: Signe
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Hey hvor fedt - s fik jeg ogs set den - lidt nysgerrig er man vel altid ;)

Name: Pat Baeten
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I can't believe that last week he tried to come across as environmentally sensitive, then says to Arianna he could drive his hummer through her tax loop hole. What a rude jackass Mr. Musclehead is. The only one as rude as him in the debate was the moderator.